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Joel Metzger Interviews Jeanie Marshall

By Jeanie Marshall and Joel Metzger

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"A paradox is that each of us
is on a solo journey of the soul
which we cannot do alone"

— Jeanie Marshall

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Jeanie: Witnessing our own process is essential. At this time in the history of humanity, we are opening to a new consciousness. We are conscious beings, becoming more conscious. When we are a witness to our own process, we are conscious of being conscious. Sometimes our first consciousness is painful, sometimes exhilarating. Awakening is a personal experience -- as personal and varied as awakening from nighttime sleep that we experience every day. Some grumble, some yawn, some leap from their beds, some sing to the sun, some reach for their glasses on the bed stand. So, too, awakening from unconsciousness to consciousness is an individual matter.

You remember the old Vaudeville interchange.... A tourist in New York City asks how to get to Carnegie Hall from a musician who responds, not with street directions, but with, "practice, practice, practice." Life is a series of experiences, a process that allows us to travel on many routes to all arrive at the same place.

Joel: Someone may wonder: how can I best proceed on my own?

Jeanie: The short answer is: By becoming aware. Ask yourself where you desire to proceed. Even your question "How can I best proceed on my own?" when asked inwardly is extraordinarily freeing. Each day you might awaken with a question to yourself: "How can I best proceed today?" Let the question be more important than the answer. As your day unfolds, keep asking yourself, "How can I best proceed now?" A potent question can serve you for your whole life time to prompt a myriad of answers from all parts of the Universe. Books fall off the shelf to answer your question. Email messages on seemingly unrelated subjects respond to your question. An overheard conversation between two strangers speaks to you if you know the question.

And, by the way, one of my favorite questions is, "What is the question?"!!

Joel: Maybe someone thinks, "I may not feel that something is a serious problem, so there is no need to see a consultant, but I know I have lots to learn." What would you say are the best steps for such a person? (As you can see from my questions, I emphasize self-healing and inner strength.)

Jeanie: First of all, let me be clear with you that when someone seeks my services as an empowerment consultant I do not see them as broken, needing to be fixed. Some clients see themselves that way, but I don't. I don't buy into the brokenness or problems that they experience. I believe in positive collaboration, not negative collusion. I see them as Truly Powerful Beings having an experience. Joel, I, too, emphasize self-healing and inner strength -- indeed, my work serves as a catalyst for both. I listen respectfully and deeply -- and quickly! I feel this is one of the greatest gifts I offer my clients. Many of my clients are incredibly powerful, successful, and enlightened. Some realize their power, some are opening to this realization. It is my contract with the Universe to work with those who are ready to do deep transformational work.

And specifically now, to your question about the best steps to take, Joel. Seventeen thoughts come rushing to my mind as you ask this question, although they do not fall into a neat step-by-step sequential process. I guess it depends on precisely what you desire to learn. We all have lots to learn and teach. We are all here on the earth to learn and teach. Spirit is the True Teacher -- deep listeners are the finest teachers of others.

If we look outside ourselves for answers, we have very far and many places to look. If we look inside ourselves we discover that the answers are very close. They are within us. God did not put your answers inside me, Joel, God put your answers inside you. I have lots of answers and wisdom, which I make available to others. One of my unique skills is to open up the channels of perception in the energy field for people to find the their own answers within. I don't tell people what to do, rather I listen to the answers within the other person and help them hear what I hear so that they can continue on their own.

These days there are so many wonderful books and consultants and workshops and conferences and processes. The most enlightened ones all say pretty much the same thing. The truth is the truth. The packaging may be different. The world is designed for us to interact with each other. Paradoxically, each of us is on a sole journey of the soul which we cannot do alone! Each of us has our own unique drama to play out, yet it is played in the context of universal principles. We are all One. Or as a dear friend of mine likes to say, "We is all One".

Joel: If I am working on empowering myself, then wouldn't it be best to learn this on my own, anyway? It seems unempowering to seek help, especially when I want to learn my own power.

Jeanie: One point to keep in mind is if you need help, it is unempowering to not seek help. We create problems and messes with our ego; we solve problems with Spirit. If we have created a mess we are not going to solve it with more of the same of whatever we were doing when we created the mess. We must change directions or thoughts or feelings or relationships or something. An outsider is often the catalyst for that change. Sometimes deep listening is all that is required. A wise and empowered catalyst works lovingly, without developing dependency relationships. Empowering consultants who act as mentors and sounding boards and guides do not take power from others, but enable others to use their own power.

Seventeen years ago I read a book called "The Vegetarian Family". I became a vegetarian as a result. I could say "that book changed my life." But the truth is "I changed my life and I'm deeply grateful to the authors of that delightful little book." This may seem like mere semantics, but it is the difference between believing I change from the inside out or the outside in.

Joel: You mentioned the consulting you do by phone. Please tell me about this.

Jeanie: When I was living on the East Coast, I did telephone consultations from time to time. I loved working that way, but considered it more a convenience to certain clients than a distinct offering. However, when I moved from the East Coast to the West Coast, my telephone consulting practice emerged as a unique offering. It was a very practical way to remain accessible to my East Coast clients and to expand my clientele to being truly international. Working by phone enhanced my understanding of energy work as well as deepening the work itself.

This is possible because the dimensions in which I work are not limited by time or space. The energy field has many dimensions. (That is, dimensions beyond the third -- the physical — dimension.) And I can access these dimensions for information about the past, present, and future, including other lives. Every experience each one of us has had leaves markings on one or more layers of the energy field. I read those markings, much like one reads a book. I work with my clients to interpret the markings — it's a synergistic experience. I provide information which they comment on to which I add even more information. Together, we shift the negative impact of the markings.

I know instantly if and how energy is moving or blocked. And most of my clients become more sensitive to energy through these consultations. By telephone, we have only auditory and energetic data to exchange -- no visual data to distract us.

Joel: Can you give us an example of your phone consultations?

Jeanie: Sure. I work regularly with Jake (this is a true person, but a false name). With him over the years, I've served in many roles that the title "empowerment consultant" offers: mentoring, coaching, sounding board, problem solving, personal empowerment, organizational consulting, etc. Over the years, we've focused on personal and professional issues. He's in the Mastery level of the Certification Program of MAP Energetics™, which I've developed. He's dedicated to his own personal growth as well as the growth and development of others. Jake makes regular voicemail reports about his progress between sessions.

Joel: Voicemail reports?

Jeanie: This is a very valuable service of mine that he artfully benefits from. I mention this because it's part of the answer to your question about my telephone consultations. I've set up a voice mailbox -- a separate number from my regular office number -- so that students, clients, and interns can report their experiences at any time. I can, of course, listen to the messages at any time, as well. When I listen, I give my full attention as if they were talking to me in a session. As they report their experience, I watch energetically -- it's a bit like watching on a movie screen. I check the energy field and make mental notes of observations for our next scheduled consultation. I rarely take notes on paper. While I might not "remember" all the specifics in the usual sense of that word, I know that when needed I can give my attention to the energy field and recover the relevant information.

So, back to Jake: He called two times between sessions to tell me about several events -- including his observations of his daughter's behavior that was similar to one of the patterns that he wants to change in himself: acting out, temper tantrum, stubbornness with not getting her/his own way. When a client makes a connection like this, it's helpful to be able to verbalize it as soon as possible -- another advantage of that voice mailbox. At first, Jake was frustrated with his observations of his daughter's behavior. He didn't like seeing Julia acting that way and he didn't like seeing himself in her! He quickly moved his awareness, though, to the realization that she, at four years old, is a powerful teacher to him. So he converted his annoyance to appreciation and gratitude.

During our most recent session (about a week ago) with the information from the two voice mailbox calls, we worked traditionally and energetically; that is, we discussed and strategized and we worked in the energy field. He talked a little about his perceptions and feelings (this helped me to find the places in his energy field which contain helpful information). Together, we developed a course of action so that he would feel better equipped to manage the situation with Julia: physically, verbally, emotionally, mentally, and energetically. He expanded his repertoire of responses to her behavior (precisely what to say and how to touch her) and learned how to relate more gracefully to his own feelings (appreciation and gratitude are far more empowering than annoyance).

And I gave him some ways to work energetically. I described Julia's energy field in this way: When she gets a particular picture in her head (like going to the park) and she hears "no" (or even "not now" which she translates as "no"), she feels unloved, pulls her consciousness out of her body, and then feels abandoned. The tantrum that follows tests the parents' love further. So I suggested specific techniques for Jake to use to help Julia to stay in her body. And I suggested other techniques for Jake to use to help Julia get back into her body if she does act in unacceptable ways.

The tantrum of a four-year old in and of itself is not a problem. Problems occur when such an event is repeated to the extent of being a pattern. Such a pattern leads the child to believe certain untrue thoughts about herself or himself as well as others in the world. Jake is re-living how his parents handled him and has an opportunity to break the family pattern of abandonment and noncooperation. Jake is a very powerful and intelligent person who is willing to find learning in all of life's opportunities.

Joel: Are there other ways you use phone consultations?

Jeanie: Another way that my telephone consultations emerged is that many of my colleagues in the field of Organizational Development called me for advice or to be a sounding board. They had spent many hours or even days to research needs of an organizational client which I identified in a matter of minutes. My services are very cost-effective for consultants and managers who need to check out certain data quickly -- a phone call is very quick and efficient. We call this "shadow consulting" in my field -- and it means I don't have to get on an airplane to go visit a client group and stay in stuffy hotel rooms. Being on-site as a consultant to corporations is also important work, which I still do from time to time. But I am very selective.

Joel: And please talk about the corporate work you do.

Jeanie: At one time years ago, I did only corporate work. For Fortune 500 corporations as well as smaller companies, state and federal governmental agencies, etc. I did consultations like Team building, workshops for managers, coaching, process consultations, conflict resolution, group problem solving, and the like. These are approaches considered standard in the field of organizational development. The empowered personal change consulting work I do emerged from the corporate consulting -- individuals wanted to work with me one-to-one for deeper change than a group usually fosters. This created my dual focus: (1) corporate consulting and (2) personal empowerment consulting.

Now, I'm interested in consulting only in corporations in which there are individuals who are interested in empowerment and energetics and working openly with the divine. Otherwise, I am not being true to myself or my life mission. So I do team building and other workshops only if the group is able to open to energetic and spiritual principles. Otherwise, I prefer to work one-on-one with those specific individuals who are ready for this type of work. I've seen remarkable organizational change occur because of working with only a few persons in an organization on a one-to-one basis.

Joel: So, Jeanie, what's next for you? I see from the list that you gave us at the beginning that you're working on a novel...... Can you tell us about that?

Jeanie: It's a transformational (or spiritual) novel. True events from my life and my work are presented through a fictitious character. The name of the novel includes the protagonist's name, so I am not ready to reveal this. I put the writing away for a few years to write two other books. In September, I'll return to writing on a regular basis. Actually, there's not much more I'm willing to say about it right now..... except that I'm truly looking forward to returning to writing in the near future because I love reading what she says as the words come onto the computer screen.

Joel: Thanks, Jeanie. I've really enjoyed our email conversation.

Jeanie: I have as well, Joel. I really appreciate the work you do to make information available to so many people. Thanks.

Joel Metzger is the founder and coordinator of The Online Noetic Network. The word *Noetic* means based on mind and consciousness. Noetic vision sees a foreground of experience and subjectivity.

Marshall House, http://www.mhmail.com. Jeanie Marshall, a Personal Development Coach specializing in deep transformation and personal success, writes extensively on subjects related to personal development and empowerment. She assists professional coaches and consultants to write their knowledge, wisdom, and experiences.

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